theonesarcasticchick

theonesarcasticchick asked:

Ok. So just dropping in for a second because you've done a carpton of fantastic meta on ravens and I need to sit and ponder that and your comments to mine and just got home from class tonight and really. Life. Ugh. But just wanted to drop the note re: ravens and phoenixes - keep in mind that Bran the Blessed (aka the Celtic raven god) was also known as the god of regeneration. Which ... still so fits.

legacy-and-ploy answered:

I know all about getting home from class and feeling ugh lol. I just finished my masters and now I’m looking at phd programs do I definitely feel that.

I don’t know much about Bran, which is interesting considering my love of mythology (as I sit here wearing my camp half blood shirt lol) so I’ll definitely have to read up more on him!

theonesarcasticchick:

Ugh.  Yeah.  I’ve basically been in school long enough to get my masters and PhD, but I have an aversion to completing anything.  So I’ve got a mostly-done bio major and a mostly done english and psych major and now getting through a business project/management.  ;) 

I’m just at lunch so again, brief response.  But I meta’d about Bran in tangent in another post so I’ll link here, cause it’s kind of where my head is re: ravens a bit - less from the bulk raven mythology and from a targeted particular story type thing. ;)  

That’s so interesting. I had read about the Tower of London because it’s basically impossible to read any raven mythology without making mention of the ravens housed in the tower. However, the rest was so interesting and definitely an interesting concept. My head is almost exploding at this point with raven tie ins and when it doesn’t happen, well I’ll be proud of averting all of us have thought through!!!

Tonight once I get a chance I’m definitely going to read even further into bran and read specific mythology to see what all comes up!!! Excitement!!!!!! *flails arms all over in excitement!!!!”

athenadark

perhaps-if asked:

okay okay so I have something to support : if you look for the teen wolf puzzle that was used to show viewers a preview of s4, there a list of words that are all relevant to the new season. I noticed the last word was Satomi and she was the werewolf at the camp where Kira's mom was at that threw the firebomb at the man that would turn into the nogitsune. So I think the raven will make an appearance this season. I don't think we're finished with Japanese folklore afterall.

legacy-and-ploy answered:

Definitely. And everyone thinks the oter werewolves we’ve seen have been members of satomis pack. We think it’s possible she is still around.

And definitely raven fits with the Japanese mythology but it also hits all of the other mythologies which are currently going on in the show (Celtic, Norse, etc) so it would be very interesting to see raven!

athenadark:

it says in the promos for the second half of the season about helping Satomi’s pack, that’s where that came from

Thanks athenadark I knew that was from somewhere but I couldn’t remember if it was promos or just meta!

perhaps-if asked:

okay okay so I have something to support : if you look for the teen wolf puzzle that was used to show viewers a preview of s4, there a list of words that are all relevant to the new season. I noticed the last word was Satomi and she was the werewolf at the camp where Kira's mom was at that threw the firebomb at the man that would turn into the nogitsune. So I think the raven will make an appearance this season. I don't think we're finished with Japanese folklore afterall.

Definitely. And everyone thinks the oter werewolves we’ve seen have been members of satomis pack. We think it’s possible she is still around.

And definitely raven fits with the Japanese mythology but it also hits all of the other mythologies which are currently going on in the show (Celtic, Norse, etc) so it would be very interesting to see raven!

theonesarcasticchick asked:

Ok. So just dropping in for a second because you've done a carpton of fantastic meta on ravens and I need to sit and ponder that and your comments to mine and just got home from class tonight and really. Life. Ugh. But just wanted to drop the note re: ravens and phoenixes - keep in mind that Bran the Blessed (aka the Celtic raven god) was also known as the god of regeneration. Which ... still so fits.

I know all about getting home from class and feeling ugh lol. I just finished my masters and now I’m looking at phd programs do I definitely feel that.

I don’t know much about Bran, which is interesting considering my love of mythology (as I sit here wearing my camp half blood shirt lol) so I’ll definitely have to read up more on him!

athenadark

legacy-and-ploy:

The other night I was discussing with obviouslyjohnlock and pluv143000 the idea of Parrish possibly being the elusive third type of trickster spirit which was mentioned in 3B but we have yet to see—The Raven. Then today whilst writing out my entire thought process I…

It’s actually really interesting you mention psychopomp because one of the things they mention as psychopomps are the Valkyries. Which as I was reading the raven mythology it kept being reminded of Valkyries. The whole idea of the ravens feathers shepherding the souls of the lost from the battlefields. I think is a great description. And I think you could definitely consider the raven a psychopomp, maybe not such an obvious one like Hermes, Anubis, and the Valkyries but I think you’re definitely right that they could be both!

More Parrish: Raven vs. Phoenix

So in my meta I was discussing the whole idea of Parrish as the Raven.  Then the mid-season trailer was revealed with him all sooty and all fired up looking like he could possibly be a phoenix rising from the ashes so on and so forth.  So I had added more to my meta regarding just that.  That original meta can be read here (http://legacy-and-ploy.tumblr.com/post/92780217413/parrish-and-the-raven-trope).  Anyway the point of this new post is to continue talking about the whole Raven vs Phoenix conundrum, because upon doing more research I have found some interesting comparisons.  

The biggest thing I have found was possibly where the phoenix legend first came from.  

"Ravens and crows have been known to practice a peculiar form of behavior called ‘Anting’. The bird will disturb an ant’s nest, or sit over something sweet (like spilled honey or an almost empty soda-pop can), spread out its wings, and allow ants to run up and down its body. It is thought that the ants give the bird a sort of ‘back massage’ this way, or that they feast on feather mites which live on the bird and cause irritation. For whatever reason, they seem to enjoy the sensation and have been known to do it repeatedly.

In a similar way, some of these birds will sit over a hot surface, such as the dying embers of a fire, and spread out their wings. Perhaps they do it for the same reason we sit in a sauna - they just enjoy the heat - or perhaps they use the intense heat to encourage feather mites to find a different home. Since they won’t talk, it’s hard to tell.

However, if a bird such as a large raven sits on the embers of a fire, and for some reason chooses to flap its wings (maybe as a way to cool off, or maybe because it’s ready to take to the air) then it could stir the fire to life again. The sudden resurgence of flames around it would almost certainly cause the bird to take off.

And voila - you have a bird rising from the midst of flames and ashes.”

That in itself is interesting because here we have a bird which could have been the original inspiration behind the mythology of the phoenix.  Then we go a little further into Raven.

"Raven is a juxtaposition of opposites: A provider and a thief. A hero and a fool. He brought light out of darkness, but he is himself cloaked in midnight black. He is a symbol of dark brooding sadness, and of death, yet he brings life, and unrivalled joy. He is credited with creating the earth and all its mysteries, but even the smallest secret attracts his attention. He is a silent spy, and an unstoppable chatterbox. He is many things…. And sometimes he is nothing. That is Raven."

Again to me this sounds like Parrish.  He in the show has been show as quite a conundrum.  He is righteous but from the trailer obviously will do what it takes to help fight for his life.  He is cloaked in midnight black in the trailer as well, and we know he has seen plenty of death.

Through research I also consistently see the idea of ravens and phoenix being drawn as comparisons to one another, either as source for the mythology or that the two would look very similar depending on the age and cycle of life of the bird.  

In many societies the phoenix represented the sun, and took on the physical representation of such things.  As stated in my previous meta the raven was also known to have flown to the sun in some mythologies in order to retrieve fire and light to bring back to mankind another parallel between the two.  

And then furthermore in some cultures such as at the Mandan legend of “The Bird that made the Meat Bitter” we see that in this version the story of the White Raven and Phoenix are one in the same.  So it has been seen that these two birds have been intricately linked throughout many histories, but are also vastly different at the same time.  

Just a bit more information regarding both things that I find very interesting especially in how they can pertain to as far as Parrish is concerned.  

legacy-and-ploy

legacy-and-ploy:

The other night I was discussing with obviouslyjohnlock and pluv143000 the idea of Parrish possibly being the elusive third type of trickster spirit which was mentioned in 3B but we have yet to see—The Raven. Then today whilst writing out my entire thought process I saw that

Soo I just posted an addition to this but for whatever reason it didn’t actually post. Damn iPhone. So I switched to my computer hoping that this will now actually post, and if this posted numerous times I apologize ahead of time! 

So after seeing the midseason trailer people are jumping into Parrish as the Phoenix idea and I can totally see where that comes from. However, I’m sticking to my guns with him being raven. The reason being many many raven mythologies also deal with fire. And in the trailer it is definitely ahs he is covered with. 

In Pacific Northwest mythology raven is known as the creature which stole fire and brought it to man so that they could survive through the cold and snow of winter. Much like Prometheus stealing fire for man. 

Furthermore, there is the myth of why ravens feathers are actually black which I will leave here as well:

WHY THE RAVEN’S FEATHERS ARE BLACK.

LONG, long ago the raven’s feathers were white as snow. He was a beautiful bird, but the other birds did not like him because he was a thief. When they saw him coming, they would hide away the things that they cared for most, but in some marvelous way he always found them and took them to his nest in the pine-tree.

One morning the raven heard a little bird singing merrily in a thicket. The leaves of the trees were dark green, and the little bird’s yellow feathers looked like sunshine among them.

"I will have that bird," said the raven, and he seized the trembling little thing.

The yellow bird fluttered and cried, “Help, help! Will no one come and help me!”

The other birds happened to be far away, and not one heard her cries. “The raven will kill me,” she called. “Help, help!”

Now hidden in the bark of a tree was a wood-worm.

"I am only a wood-worm," he said to himself, "and I cannot fly like a bird, but the yellow bird has been good to me, and I will do what I can to help her."

When the sun set, the raven went to sleep. Then the wood-worm made his way softly up the pine-tree to the raven’s nest, and bound his feet together with grass and pieces of birch-bark.

"Fly away," whispered the wood-worm softly to the little yellow bird, "and come to see me by and by. I must teach the raven not to be cruel to the other birds."

The little yellow bird flew away, and the wood-worm brought twigs, and moss, and birch-bark, and grass, and put them around the tree. Then he set them all on fire. Up the great pine-tree went the flames, leaping from bough to bough.

"Fire! fire " cried the raven. "Come and help me My nest is on fire!"

The other birds were not sorry to see him flutter. “He is a thief,” said they. “Let him be in the fire.”

By and by the fire burned the grass and the pieces of birch-bark that fastened his feet together, and the raven flew away. He was not burned, but he could no longer be proud of his shining white feathers, for the smoke had made every one of them as black as night.

The last line is what is very important in this case, “He was not burned, but he could no longer be proud of his shining white feathers, for the smoke had made every one of them as black as night." Sound familiar? To me that’s what Parrish looked like as he entered into the fight in the trailer. Could I be wrong? Of course! But that’s what makes writing meta so fun. 

sterekmeta

kittensandrighteousfury asked:

In one of your posts - lord help me, I can't find it now - you mentioned that Malia might be an unintentional succubus. I love that theory, because I really do love Malia, so I don't want her to be a villainous villain, if that make sense. But I'm curious, how does Kira fit into that theory? They've had some really close scenes - their dance, the lacrosse sidelines - but she hasn't looked as down or haggard as Stiles or Lydia.

sterekmeta answered:

Oh, you can’t find it because it’s Athena’s. Cupid, and me and probably all the rest have jumped on the bandwagon, but she wrote the original text.

I’ve been thinking about this. Why Malia’s doing whatever she’s doing. What IS she doing, and why isn’t she doing it to Kira. 

I have rough ideas, but nothing I’m feeling very strong on yet. 

I think Malia is draining energy from people. Remember how Nogi said “I eat what you feel” What if Malia does the same thing, but for different feelings. What if she eats anxiety or something similar? The whole pack is feeling anxious, especially about money. Malia would have quite the fest. And Stiles and Lydia, who are both very strong willed “Get the fuck off of me!!!” people have been so docile around her because she makes them feel less anxious? 

I know it sounds weird, but if the Nogi could exist on emotional energy, then probably other things can as well. It’s also very possible that, like Stiles in last season, Malia’s has a Plus1! And that’s what’s actually doing the eating.

So that’s the what and the why- let’s look at the why not, aka Kira.

I think Jeff has a bit of Animal Farm going on. All supernaturals are inhuman, but some are more than others. I mean, you have the werewolves, the werecoyote, the banshee, and maybe a Leshy, and while they have special gifts/abilities, they’re still mostly human. They still read as human if they were examined by a doctor and whatnot.

But I think maybe Kira’s different. I think Kira has a human shape, but I don’t think she’s even a little bit human. I think she’s a fox spirt God in a human shape, but like we saw with her aura, she’s doesn’t really look like that. Her form is an illusion. Her feelings are also not usual human feelings, so Malia can’t drain that energy.

OR It’s a Trickster thing. You can’t play a player. If Malia tried to dine on Kira, Kira’d know what she was doing and the jig would be up. 

I prefer the first theory, but I’m mostly brainstorming at this point. Malia’s clearly getting close to the peak of her arc, so we’re going to find out what her game is soon enough. 

I love this meta. Because I think this fits into Malia so perfectly especially if the constant changing of her style is meant to be a thing and not just “trying character ideas” on her.

The thing I would add is what about if instead of anxiety it’s about eating guilt? I love the anxiety because we know that both stiles and Lydia have anxiety but the other thing they are both feeling to a great extent this season is guilt. To an extent everyone in the pack does but these two specifically are guilt ridden. Stiles obviously because he was taken over by nogi and was the one committing the crimes of the past season. And we know he feels a certain way because of ways he feels. It could also explain another emotion as to why malia latched on to him.

As far as Lydia I’m sure she feels just as guilty. As the other most intelligent person in the pack the fact that she couldn’t figure out so many of the nogitsunes games must kill her. We know she felt bad based off of comments in 3B about not being able to figure things out. Additionally, we know this season she’s also feeling guilty because she can’t make her banshee powers work. She feels horrible that she can’t be more helpful and as a result could also feel guilty for not giving more information, and these are some of the moments we have seen malia on her.

I love the idea of the succubus, especially because again they relate to Celtic mythology that has already been established. Mythology man, it’s so freaking intriguing!